I don’t know what position Tom Schreiner holds on the rapture. My guess is that he is post-trib, but I could be mistaken. And I do not know if he has actually considered the Prewrath position.
I want to qualify a couple of statements he makes:
He states in this sermon that the timing of the rapture is not clear in Scripture. Of course, we would disagree with him since we believe that the Bible is very clear that the Church will encounter the Antichrist’s Great Tribulation and will then be raptured followed by the Day of the Lord’s wrath upon the ungodly of this world.
One other element that I would disagree with him on is that he believes that when Satan is thrown to the earth with wrath in Revelation 12 Schreiner thinks that happened at Christ’s First Coming at the cross. I believe that it happens at the midpoint of the seven year period when Michael the Restrainer is removed and the Great Tribulation begins. Also, unfortunately, he spiritualizes the mark of the beast. But historical premillenialists tend to be inconsistent in certain areas such as this. You just have to filter the good from the bad.
Nevertheless, Schreiner does an excellent job in exegeting Revelation 20.
Here is the audio sermon.
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Biblical Calenders, 2 Thessalonians 2, and Danites
This is a session from the 2009 2nd Annual Prewrath Conference in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. Charles Cooper explicates Biblical Ancient Calenders such as the Egyptian, Jewish, and Western calenders as it pertains to prophetic chronology. He also expounds on 2 Thessalonians 2, as well as Danites returning to Israel recently!
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This is Q&A and Cooper’s closing statement at an eschatology forum last October in O’Fallon Missouri.
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Foolishness: “I consider debating to be a total waste of time.”
Wisdom: “The first to state his case seems right, until his opponent begins to cross-examine him.” Proverbs 18:17
If the two-page, surface-level, inaccurate article that Reagan wrote against Pre-wrath recently is any reflection of what his competency would be like in a debate, it is understandable why he refused. As we learned this past week, David Reagan has rebuffed my offer to have meaningful interaction in a public format. He considers this interaction “a total waste of time.” He is wrong, and every truth-lover should be offended by such a claim.
Debate is simply an orderly exchange of ideas in which each person receives the same fair amount of time to present their case. It includes meaningful interaction in cross-examination in which theological positions are held accountable; i.e., assumptions, inconsistencies, and false claims cannot go unchallenged as they often do in print. There is only one conclusion that someone must come to if they think that this meaningful interaction is a waste of time: They want their assertions to be immune from examination. They do not want to be seriously challenged.
The most effective format for two individuals with opposing views is not behind a keyboard or a book, but a public debate each having the same amount of time periods of an opening, rebuttals, cross-examination, and closing. And you cannot have a real debate without cross-examination; it is the soul of the debate. Otherwise, all you will really have is two monologues, not a dialogue. Further, the moderator is very important to a debate in managing and enforcing the protocol. If a debate functions as such, I believe that God’s people are edified by witnessing a genuine engagement and accountability between theological perspectives. And most of all, God is glorified in this effective manner of communication that seeks after Biblical truth.
Charles Cooper tells about his journey to the prewrath position. He also explains how the contradictions in the pretribulational system prompted him to examine Scripture more closely on the rapture question. This presentation was given last October in O’Fallon Missouri at an eschatology forum.
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