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What Did the Early Church Fathers Teach on the Timing of the Second Coming?

by Alan Kurschner August 4, 2009
written by Alan Kurschner
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This presentation on what the early church taught was given last October in O’Fallon Missouri at an eschatology forum. There are three speakers who had twenty minutes each to give their case: Steve Gregg (Preterist), Charles Cooper (Prewrath), Thomas Ice (Pretribulational).

I have included Steve Gregg’s presentation because I want you to hear what a preterist case sounds like. It goes something like this:

“Ok, I grudgingly admit that preterism was never taught in the first three hundred years by a Church Father. But who knows!…maybe one day someone may stumble upon in the sands of Egypt an early Church document with preterist teachings, so therefore we can never be too sure what the early Church taught on this subject.”

What Gregg also does is he invokes sparse preterist writings from the Church Fathers from AD 300-700 to cast doubt on what the early Church taught, as if they have the same weight as futurist writings from the first and second generations of the Church!

In the second presentation, Cooper demonstrates that the early Church clearly taught that the Church would encounter the Antichrist’s Great Tribulation. Cooper even cites in support the authoritative church historian Larry V. Crutchfield, who, himself is a pretribulationalist!

In the third presentation, Ice focuses on the premillennial issue. Prewrath is premillennial as well so we can agree with Ice’s points on that issue.

However, Ice makes a false claim by asserting that the early Church Fathers believed in imminency. They certainly did not believe in imminency in the pretribulational sense that the Church would be raptured before the Antichrist’s Great Tribulation. And some believed that the Church would be raptured soon because they thought that they were in the midst of the Great Tribulation! So Ice’s statements are misleading and incorrect.

The only early citation that Ice attempts to produce is a statement from The Shepherd of Hermas, in which he reads his pretribulational system into this ancient document. He (selectively) cites a statement from Vision 4 that says that if someone has enough faith they can escape a great tribulation. What Ice does is anachronistically reads “escape” as a rapture. But there is nothing in the text that suggests a rapture. In fact, the “escape” in that context indicates a physical escape leaving the person on earth (see Vision 4:2). Nor does Hermas place the Return of Christ before the Great Tribulation. Further, Hermas actually makes statements of enduring the Great Tribulation:

“Blessed are those of you who patiently endure the coming great tribulation and who will not deny their life.” (Vision 2:2)

“Therefore those who endure and pass through the flames will be purified by them…The white part is the age to come, in which God’s elect will live because those chosen by God for eternal life will be spotless and pure…You have also the foreshadowing of the great tribulation that is coming” (Vision 4:3)

It should also be mentioned that like so many of the other early Church Fathers’ exposition of Scripture, this document instead is not didactic intending to interpret what the Bible teaches on the Second Coming — it is part of a vision. The fact that this is the only citation that Ice can produce within the first four hundred years of Church History is very telling.

Ice also invokes a later Church document called Pseudo-Ephraem and purports that there are pretrib statements. This has been thoroughly refuted in this Parousia Newsletter.

In summary, the term “Prewrath” is new, but its essential teaching goes back to the early Church writers, contra preterism, pretribulationism, and amillennialism.

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The Natural Reading of Scripture Concludes with the Prewrath Position

by Alan Kurschner August 2, 2009
written by Alan Kurschner

[Editor’s Note: The following prewrath story is similar to so many stories we receive in the sense that many believers come to the prewrath rapture on their own. As far as I am concerned this validates the natural Biblical reading of the Prewrath position. I have never known any pretribber who has come to the pretribulational position on their own–it is always by Tradition or some other secondary source.]

Fellow Believers,
I was raised in a Church of Christ (amillennial) home and educated at the leading Church of Christ-affiliated college (Abilene Christian University), so I was thoroughly saturated with C-of-C exclusivist (“the only true church”) doctrine. But later, when I was in the U.S. Navy during the Vietnam War, God began to work on me, then, through a series of rather remarkable events (miraculous, I believe), led me out of that bondage.
But then, since C-of-C teachings were all to which I had been exposed, I was adrift on a vast ecumenical sea without a chart, compass, or paddle. Again, my heavenly father had mercy on me and led me to a small Brethren assembly, and the leading elder/pastor (they don’t have paid ministers) took me under his wing and helped me to get the biblical doctrine of salvation straightened out. The C-of-C emphasizes correct doctrine and Christian living over a personal, spiritual relationship with God, so it’s a subtle works-based salvation doctrine. Brother Ed showed me the meaning of Eph. 2:8-10 – salvation by grace through faith, which lifted about 30 years and a million pounds of do-it-yourself indoctrination and practice off my shoulders. I was free at last! … thanks be to God’s merciful intervention.
Although I had some doubts about two other doctrines they adamantly espoused (pre-tribulation rapture and once-saved-always-saved), and I visited numerous other denominations (everyone from mildly charismatic to word-of-faith to Seventh Day Adventist to Nazarene to other main-line churches), I continued to fellowship primarily in the Brethren assemblies. But then, about 15 years ago, God gave me a keen interest in eschatology and I have, since then, studied many books and commentaries on Daniel, Revelation, and related Scriptures. And, although they all seemed to have some strong arguments to support them, I just couldn’t get a pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib rapture to fit into the end-times scenario of Revelation.
I had finally come to the conclusion that the Rapture must be at some point during the second half of the 7-year trib period, but I felt like Elijah must have – I had no idea that anyone else shared that view. Then, one day just a couple of months ago, I was searching the Internet for something (I can’t remember what), and ran across your site. And I couldn’t believe what my eyes were reading! I immediately devoured most of the articles published on your site and ordered several books, including The Sign, The Fourth Reich, and The Rapture Question Answered by Robert Van Kampen, and The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church by Marvin Rosenthal. I have read the Fourth Reich (my wife and I like to read Scripture-based fiction together) and am presently going through the others with a fine-toothed comb. I think there are a few errors, which have led you to some wrong conclusions. But those are tangential, and by-and-large, I agree with your position and thank God for bringing it to my attention.
The Lord be with you in “enduring to the End.”
Yours in Him,
Bob Giffin

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The Millennium

by Alan Kurschner July 30, 2009
written by Alan Kurschner

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The Millennium

by Alan Kurschner July 30, 2009
written by Alan Kurschner
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Charles Cooper talks about the Millennium. This presentation was given last October in O’Fallon Missouri at an eschatology forum.

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Brother Andrew “God’s Smuggler” Endorses How to Survive the Great Tribulation: Fight, Flight, or Faith

by Alan Kurschner July 28, 2009
written by Alan Kurschner

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Some of you know that Brother Andrew worked with Corrie ten Boom for 25 years. And a little known fact, acknowledged in older copies of The Hiding Place, is when John Sherill interviewed Brother Andrew, he talked about Aunt Corrie so much that it inspired the book The Hiding Place! His ministry is Open Doors and Open Doors Internationally.
Here you can purchase How to Survive the Great Tribulation: Fight, Flight, or Faith.
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Brother Andrew with Corrie ten Boom (1972)

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