He writes,
One of the hardest things I have done was to leave the pre-trib camp. I knew that if I did, I would become an outcast to the very people whom I most needed to get my message out and wanted to reach. Yet, I also knew that God didn’t reveal the information I had stumbled on to any of them. That being the case, I was willing to go outside the camp.
Have you heard of the intimidating Internet terms, “RSS,” “RSS Feed,” or “RSS Reader” thrown around? You may have noticed that most websites and blogs today use this new subscription service because they want their readers or customers to be notified of any new content to their site. In other words, in “Bookmarking” a site you have to manually search for any new content though there may not even be any–and that takes a lot of time. But RSS automatically notifies you of any new content–and brings it right to your door step without even going to the website to view it!
Many of the readers to this blog are notified of new posts via email. And that is an excellent means of notification. But if you follow several or more blogs or other websites daily, it would save you a lot of time to have new content from those sites aggregated to one place–and that is what an RSS program does for you.
Tim Challies has demythologized this often-enigmatic Internet function for us by writing a brief and lucid explanation. You can read it here.
If you choose to read this article, then afterwards, I would recommend the popular web-based RSS program called “Bloglines.” And if you choose to use the Bloglines RSS program or some other, then this blog’s RSS address that you can subscribe to is here; or if you look over to the right you will see an image that says, “RSS VALID” that you can click on.
Don’t you feel like a techy now after reading this!
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The short book, The Prewrath Rapture Position Explained: Plain and Simple is my favorite Prewrath resource to give to believers who are interested in eschatology. It is a very short book that can be read in one or two days–and we sell it for only $2.00! Because it is a bare bones, straightforward, lucid explanation of the Prewrath position, it introduces people to the basics of what Prewrath teaches.
Given the conciseness and the inexpensiveness of the book I have often carried twenty copies of it in my car to hand out to folks who I have engaged in discussions on the Second Coming.
So if you are the type of person who strikes up discussions with other believers on this subject, purchase 5, 10, or even 20 and keep them in your car for when the occasion arises. Further, if you are a pastor, teacher, or small group leader who teaches Prewrath in your church, the book can be used as a guide or supplement to your lessons.
Also, if you have a staunch pretribulational friend or relative, I would suggest the more expanded book, The Rapture Question Answered: Plain and Simple (Which we offer as well for purchase). This book covers the same material as the first one mentioned but it goes more in depth in refuting pretribulational arguments.
At this time I would like to announce a sneak preview to a new feature that we are launching for our blog in less than a few weeks. Besides selling books, we are adding two more product categories to our Shopping Cart: Downloadable MP3 Prewrath lectures; and a category of “Free Prewrath Resources” which will include selected audio, past issues of the Parousia newsletter, Powerpoint Presentations, and more–all of which will be downloadable. I will make an official announcement once it is launched. Stay Tuned!
Rapture Debate Held on October 9, 1999 at Irving Bible Church, Irving, Texas. About 600-700 in Attendance. Moderator: Kirby Anderson.
My observations about the debate are below. But if I were to sum up the debate right now, I would say: Send it to all of your pretrib friends!
This is the first time that this Rapture debate has been made available on the internet. The following are the four parts of the debate with a rebuttal period following after each one. Click here to be taken to the audio files.
Part 1: Pretribulationism – Mal Couch and Yaacov Ramsel
Part 2: Prewrath – Charles Cooper and Roger Best
Part 3: Postribulationism – Ken Kline and Monte Judah
Part 4: Question & Answer
A few of my observations from the debate:
1. Mal Couch’s pretrib presentation was actually not a presentation at all. He made assertions about Matthew 24 but with no support to back up his assertions, except for an odd reference to Deuteronomy, which Roger Best pointed out the inconsistency.
Further, rather than Couch arguing for his position during his time to do so, he became fixated on personalities such as Van Kampen and Rosenthal. There is a reason why pretribs cannot make a positive presentation of their view: there simply are not any Biblical texts that teach that the rapture happens before the Antichrist’s Great Tribulation. And therefore, their recourse is to argue against other positions, as if that is a meaningful argument for their own view.
2. After Charles Cooper gave his excellent Prewrath presentation, it was time for the rebuttal from the others. Mal Couch was the first to respond. Would he respond Biblically and rebut (hence, rebuttal period) the points that Cooper made in his presentation? Nope. He completely blundered. As is consistent in pretribulational books writing against prewrath, Couch would make a personal attack on Cooper with his very first remark saying something along the lines of he would make a good salesman.
Immediately after this ad hominem from Couch, he began to respond in a conspicuous almost angry-hostile manner. It was obvious that the success of Cooper’s presentation and the positive effect it had on the audience put Couch in this posture. At this point, in my opinion, the debate was over. But there was more.
3. In the Part 3 post-trib presentation the speaker began saying, “I am not so much post-trib as I am prewrath“! Wow…I knew that prewrath and postrib had affinities, but this was great to hear.
4. Further, in the Post-trib rebuttal, Cooper pointed out some important inconsistencies within the Postrib view concerning the sheep and goats judgment and their timing of the rapture. In addition, toward the end of this rebuttal Cooper corrected the Pretrib Mal Couch on his errors by demonstrating that the Day of the Lord’s wrath indeed is announced by the sixth seal cosmic disturbances.
5. After the debate was over, Mal Couch unhappily exited the building choosing not to take questions–and Charles Cooper and Roger Best received applause and a warm welcome after the debate with people gathering around them wanting to learn more about the Prewrath position (including the post-trib participant!).
6. I am convinced that when the Prewrath and Pretrib position is examined side-by-side, or they are cross-examined in a public moderated debate, the Prewrath will be shown to be the Biblical position.
Though I am not a big fan of multiple party debates, and though there was no formal cross-examination in this debate, I thought it went well given the amount of time with some important points that Cooper and Best made in support of key Prewrath issues. In addition, I was pleased to listen to them demonstrate inconsistencies in the opposing views, in particular the Pretrib position.
That said, I believe though the most effective format for debate are two individuals with opposing views each having time periods of an opening, rebuttals, cross-examination, and closing. Just to emphasize, you cannot have a real debate without cross-examination; it is the soul of the debate. Otherwise, all you will really have is two monologues, not a dialogue. Further, the moderator is very important to a debate in managaing and enforcing the protocol. If a debate functions as such, I believe that God’s people are edified by witnessing a genuine engagment and accountability between theological perspectives. And most of all, God is glorified in this effective manner of communication and seeking Biblical truth.
We have contacted and challenged national noted pretrib speakers such as Thomas Ice, Dave Hunt, and others, but they have all turned down the challenge to defend their position under cross-examination in a public moderated debate.
Al Hotchkiss says,
It was church summer camp in Colorado and I was 12 years old. The speaker that afternoon shared with us the promise that, as Christians, we would be taken up to meet the Lord in the air when he came back to earth. Well, I was not about to be the only kid left behind if Jesus decided to return that night or even the next day. As I sat among the trees, I made the decision to ask Christ into my life and to make him my Savior.
It was suggested that we select a verse that would best characterize our heart and our relationship with Jesus. The rapture of the church was at the forefront of my mind and so I chose I Thessalonians 4:17 as the verse for my life. I had no idea at the time that the rapture and eschatology would become a lifelong interest.
The Evangelical Free Church raised me to believe that we will be